Tag Archives: Dave Meltzer

Speaking of Spoilers

My one criticism of Dave Meltzer’s work is that how casually he gives away spoilers. I am a big fan of Meltzer in general, but his arrogance and stubborness when it comes to giving away spoilers is disappointing. He is right when he says it is news. At the same time, a spoiler warning is not that hard to give to listeners or readers of his newsletter. It feels as if because he does not care about spoilers, no one else should.

In his defense, multiple times Meltzer has said if listeners (or readers) do not want spoilers…they should not listen to him. I do not think that is good enough, but it is something.


I Feel Like…

I should do a correct PWTorch entry every day. There are so many things that they get factually wrong. I admit that I am someone who remembers a lot and I watch the WWE Network often and Wade Keller and Bruce Mitchell don’t. Moreover, the things they do not remember are not that important for analysis of today (or the past in many cases)-but still…

For instance, I believe that Bruce Mitchell (who I am a fan of) said that Vince Russo booked the Bagwell turn in July 0f 1998 (which was a big deal or could have been because after the neck injury-Bagwell had babyface potential). Russo wasn’t booking WCW until late 1999.

Wade Keller often speaks about how Edge and Christian were just stunt guys and Edge did not really get a chance to talk until the Matt Hardy situation. Edge and Christian talked just about every week in 2000 once they turned heel. What Keller said is factually wrong.

I have a PWtorch.com subscription so if I committed to it-I could probably do a correction article every day.

As far as the Torch goes, I want to talk about this more another time-but I would say it is worth the money. If you are only willing to pay for one between the Torch and the Observer-I would still say that latter. Meltzer has too much information-both historically and in terms of today’s wrestling.


Before getting into the negatives of wrestlingobserver.com, I will take a detour (WWE Countdown ™) into the neutral aspects of the website.

TV Reports:

Eh…every website has television recaps. The ones on wrestlingobserver.com are no better or worse than anyone else from the major websites. I am sure that many wrestling fans that would be willing to put the time in could do just as good or better than the observer re-cappers (, but they aren’t bad. Ultimately, the best recaps are not on the computer screen, they are on the audio with Bryan and Dave-which I discussed in my last post.

Figure Four Weekly:

This is the other regular newsletter on the site besides the Wrestling Observer newsletter. Figure Four Weekly is different from the observer in that it was never a tremendous source of news, but now it has shifted into becoming an entity which is not a source of news at all. The first part of the newsletter features writing from David Bixenspan, which is always nice for me to read because he is one of my favorite message board posters-but it is not a must-read by any means. Moreover, there are negatives when it comes to Figure Four Weekly (which will be discussed below).

Bryan and Vinny: Obviously everything that I say in the reviews for the Wrestling Observer membership or any other website/membership is subjective. At the same time, there are two reasons that I am putting the Bryan and Vinny show in the neutral instead of negative column. The first is that it is a popular show and if I am going to be fair-I have to acknowledge that there are people who enjoy the show. The second is that this more than anything is an example of my personal taste. The Bryan and Vinny show is too (to use one of their words) “wacky” for me. It is obvious from listening to this show-which I stopped doing years ago-that Dave reels in Bryan’s worst tendencies like a grounded wrestler reels another wrestler who only does high-spots. In other words, I am refraining from putting Bryan and Vinny in the negative column because even though it is all subjective-there are too many people that love the show and if anyone reading this hasn’t tried it out, I don’t want to make it seem like it is a bad show. It is a bad show for me.